Concerns All Of Us
mods of mocVT=
As has been noted, there doesn't seem to be much else to say on the thread. New concerns, or requests for clarification, can be PM'd to staff and forum moderators, or posted in the About the Forums - Ask the Mods forum. New ideas for how TV.com should manage forums can go in the TV.com Ideas forum. With that, the moderators and staff would like to note the following.
First, there seems to be some confusion. Staff members are danmod, nilla_chelle01, and jaxiecracks. They are not typically involved in day-to-day moderation issues, although they are kept up-to-date on problems.
Forum moderators are angelandspike, GeorgeFergus, Gislef, grailwolf, studog2961, and Villafan. Reports go into a queue and are handled by any and all of these moderators.
TVCom_Moderator is an ID used to represent all moderators speaking as a group.
The show editor is High00Lord, who also has the ability to moderate the Avatar forum.
Any of the above can create off-topic administrative messages to address policy and submission issues. Anyone else doing it is off-topic, and should post to the appropriate general forum as mentioned above.
Other items:
* The Lisa situation, although unfortunate, was caused because a user was careless with their password. It was clearly no casual hack or impersonation: whoever used the account was able to fool a number of her friends. Because of this, TV.com has to take stringent measures to make sure the impostor doesn't gain access to TV.com again and trick more users.
* The Avatar forum is for discussing... Avatar. There is a designated off-topic thread. There are personal blogs. Anything not having to do with the Avatar program can go there. If you're not sure, use the off-topic thread or your personal blogs.
* Any image that causes a scroll bar is a Disruptive Posting. This can mess up certain browsers on certain settings.
* Posts that contribute nothing to the discussion are considered Disruptive and off-topic. This includes "bump" posts.
* Quoting a post that is a TOS violation is a TOS violations.
* Bumping an invalid or improper thread by adding a new post to somehow "deal" with it is unnecessary and self-defeating. Report it and ignore it.
* Noob- and troll-fighters are not necessary. If a post or thread is in violation, report it and ignore it.
* There is a limit of four games per show forum. Moderators will be moving excess games to the TV Show Fun & Games forum, going by popularity.
* Getting away with something in the past does not mean it is acceptable now or in the future.
* The fact that moderators do not notice a TOS violation immediately does not mean that it should not be moderated at all. The fact that a post is a few weeks old is not a valid defense
* The posting in this forum about "In before the lock" messages was not a new rule, it was a clarification. These posts fit the description of both off-topic and disruptive posts, both of which have always been disallowed by the TOS. Therefore all "in before the lock" moderations were legitimate.
* For forums with a large # of problems, TV.com moderators have and will continue to use "speeding ticket" moderations as necessary. What does this mean? We will issue shorter-term suspensions but after only a single violation. We use this when it appears that a poster is deliberately and blatantly violating the TOS.
* All ideas and suggestions are welcome and everything posted here will be kept in mind. However, as with anything in life, how courteous and clearly stated the proposal is, and the behavior of the person making the suggestion, will have some effect. Ideas that could let a user bypass the Terms of Services do not have much chance of being considered.
* For more information on the Terms of Service (TOS) and what the various violation types are , see here. The Terms of Service that everyone agreed to when they signed up can be found here.
* Abusively reporting posts is a TOS violation. If you're not familiar enough with the TOS to avoid violations, you are probably not familiar enough with it to determine when someone else is committing a violation.
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Wiselad=
a more specific answer from them, and one where we can discuss things with them
they told us who are the moderators
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have less "global moderators" than even here, and editors are very specific, and even at that, some "mods" (Editors) have big forums(High00lord) or are highly diluted (SPD) with having many forums to take care of
for more reason I think is appropriate for each Editor to have at least 2 assistants(which is different than "trusted" who are able to contribute without the editor having to approve their entries) and who should not depend on how many points of contribution they have to each particular forum
they gave now a more reasonable reason of why banning Lisa; but if they had explained from the start, they might have stopped the outrage that happened later, which resulted in many casualties(KA, Raien, YJ, and others) and many injuries (Brady, Deeduck, Creagan and others)
and I wish they would acknowledge that later on, when measures to stop that possibility of the impostor gaining access again have been taken by Lisa; than they would allow her to have another account
I was wondering what they mean by "* Any image that causes a scroll bar is a Disruptive Posting. This can mess up certain browsers on certain settings."?
as I said many times, it is more disruptive an image of 100 by 100 that is 25000 KB than one of 400 by 400 that is 10 KB
was not sure if the "scroll bar" itself is the cause of "messing up certain browsers on certain settings" but DrAvatar said it did in certain computers
so we must accept the settings
only issue is that sometimes a sig that is "200" height causes a scroll bar anyway, so they should say "200" is the limit, but allow up to 205, as sometimes the "200" might be 200.0025 pixels, and that .0025 causes the scroll bar
we need to make sure to tell all members to follow most of the rest
1- no posts where they simply say "bump"
2- think before quoting anything, as we get liable for anything in the quotes
3- if there is any thread that is in itself disruptive, don't keep it alive, reported it(but this also shows the important for editors to have assistants as sometimes these threads stay there for hrs)
4- don't fight any posts made by a noob or troll(but this also shows the important for editors to have assistants as sometimes these posts stay there for hrs)
5- in before the lock, do they mean posts with "in before the lock" or images saying that and practically nothing else? or will they include posts like this "before this gets locked, I got to say that this subject has been discussed in another thread"; and to be fair, most of those **** posts should be taken care of if members followed rule number 3 and in some cases rule 4
now about the "one can get reported or regulated for things weeks earlier; people grow up, many times one has forgotten even that they did "whatever"; they should in some cases if the poster has shown to now be a "good member" consider PM that member and ask him or her to either delete or edit that post
and in some cases. we might get the "punished twice for same crime"
we can get a member who said
member 1= "!#!#@$@ member 2"
member 2= "calm down please"
M1 = "why you telling me to calm down, you !@# $#@$$ #$$%"
Member 1 gets reported for the last post, and that is taken down and he gets TOS, weeks later someone sees the first post and reports, member 1 than gets basically another TOS for something he was already punished for
Technically we could read every single thread, and look for any posts that says just "bump" and report them, if it has not been picked up for a whole week, than those cases (Bump) should be forgotten
we should also consider discussing this with whichever members of the Loyalist committee who are at the refuge, so than they can discuss at their thread at TV.com
Wiselad quoted that last December
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we have to be also forgiving
for example if someone starts a thread about Ursa and the white lotus, we should forgive that person for not knowing there is a thread buried in page 3 or deeper than that
and I have noticed many times that some people DO ASK in the pinned ask questions, but it might be like post 3458, and than 3461 starts a new page, and no one notices that question, or many people see a Q that they don't got any idea how to answer, take the time to at least post "i don't got any idea, there has no been enough info in the episodes to answer that questions" instead of not saying anything at all
that is why they do a new thread with a Q, and from time to time those Qs become a real good thread
I am not saying we should give a lot of freedom to people, just saying we should be firm but flexible
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we also need to ask the staff to change the "default setting" of topics(list of threads) per page from 20 to either 40 or 50, the extra topics should not harm any computers since there are no extra images, many of us are too lazy to change settings, and sometimes thanks to the pinned topics, people only see 10 to 12 threads, and don't take the time to see page 2 or 3, this way they would have what is basically page 2 and maybe half of page 3 in the "20 topics" setup
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any comments or further suggestions?
