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The Life and Death of Poor Writing

This was the episode. If you looked at all of the episode titles (like I did) before the season began your finger landed on this one and this was the one we were all waiting for. A mystery built on since the end of Season Three Finale and then continued in the Season Four Finale. The episode had high expectations and they were not met, at least not for me.

The beginning of the episode was very good. We get to meet Ceasar and Illana and we have a little bit of an extended scene before the show transfers into the flashback mode of the episode. My favorite moment of the episode was when Illana was talking to Locke and when asked what he remembered he answered "I remember dying." I do find it weird that Locke was pinpointed as "never seen on the plane." I thought that was a bit of a stretch. I'm positive that if I were on a plane I would never be able to tell you who was on it and who wasn't when I got off. I understood it in "The Other 48 Days" because that was right around the time they were trying to pin the traitor to the group and at least you had people frantically searching for a face on a plane and in order to agree they were like "Yea, I don't remember him being on the plane." It all worked out because he was on the plane - which actually kind of proves the point. This plane crashes and as soon as Locke wakes up he is questioned as to why he wasn't on the plane? I thought it was a really big stretch.

Into the flashback itself, it started off with great promise. Widemore being there when Locke woke up was a great scene. I also liked how Widemore knew what Locke was going through, even getting Locke to tell him that it had only been 4 days since he had seen him. Great stuff. Continue with Widemore, more great stuff. Widemore finding out that Locke left the island on his own free will basically gave Widemore the notion that he might be able to return to the island. I wouldn't be surprised if Ceasar and Illana end up being Widemore's people.

Matthew shows up, which was good to see. Locke then goes on a rough patch of people. The Hurley scene was not that good, the Sayid scene was very poor, and the Walt scene didn't even make any sense. He didn't even mention that he was Jeremey Bentham so I do wonder how Walt is able to make the connection when a man in Los Angeles dies under that name. Walt telling that he saw Locke in his dreams was the only real thing that saved these three scenes.

Skip ahead to Helen. First of all, love that he at least shows that he still cares about her by asking Matthew to hunt her down. A lot of people say that the gravesite was a fake, but personally I think they just needed Locke to see that there was nothing left for him in the real world. I do believe that she is dead and that we won't be seeing her character anymore. Matthew dying - not a big fan of this but with his commitment over at Fringe I guess they only had one real epsiode to use him. I loved the mystery surrounding his character in The Beginning of the End and the visit in Cabin Fever was amazing but I was not a fan of his role in this episode. I wanted him to have a much better, more important overall role in the show.

Locke and Jack. Worst scene of the entire episode. Correction, worst written scene of the entire episode. Terry and Fox did a great job acting in the scene, but this scene was so poorly written. Jack stated in s4 "He told me that a lot of bad things happened. He said it was my fault, for leaving."

Where? Where was any of this mentioned? This killed the episode for me and I was taken aback. Go back to your old scripts, look at them, and say what you were supposed to say. In fact, Jack said that Locke told him that Ben was off the island. He didn't even say that. Poor execution for the most hyped episode this season is going to have. I have a very strong feeling that this episode is going to fall on rewatch even more then it has all ready fallen for me.

Posted by cavanagh15, 02/26/2009 5:17pm
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"This plane crashes and as soon as Locke wakes up he is questioned as to why he wasn't on the plane? "

well, the plane was intact, and if i remember correctly, they said he was in the water. which is DEFINITELY something i would question.

"Correction, worst written scene of the entire episode. "

There's no evidence that was their last interaction...i think you're jumping to conclusions too quickly here.

For Walt I agree, although I don't really see it as a big problem given how in the finale it was only a plot device so that the end reveal would be shocking. Although I still can say several ways of how Walt knew Locke's name was JB, but whatever.

You pointed out some minor things you didn't like... well, minor to me anyway, but you didn't even mention the Locke/Ben scene which alone is worth 9.0/10. As for Abbadon I think I disagree too, I doubt he got killed because of Fringe, he was just sort of a stepstone to Widmore, like Tom(he was only mysterious until the real leader was revealed) was to Ben... although this could be wrong, but I really liked his death here.
Posted 02/26/2009 9:35pm
You can spot bad writing, as soon right away it seems. Jack wished now, he didn't leave the island. You would think he would felt really good. But now he didn't.
Posted 02/26/2009 10:34pm
hmm, while I disagree about most things here...you do make some good points here. About Jack for instance. I was dying for a "it`s your fault" line. Jbentham(the user) said we have no clue it is their last meeting...it does look like the last one tho..so you may have a point here.
Posted 02/27/2009 2:33am
Locke was in Jack's hospital, I figured he would check up on him at least one more time...
Posted 02/27/2009 3:28am
and cav... this thing i dont understand... u go howdy toodle doodle when it comes to 24 and prison break writers making HUGE plot holes... u just say "its for the sake of the story, i trust them" but when it comes to lost, u wear it down.. and these not really plot holes because they can be retconned, obviously, the writers didnt find any other way to cram in those stuff given how the episode was already 6 minutes longer than usual.
Posted 02/27/2009 3:28am
hmm i think it`s due more to the level of writing. I do that too...ignore some plot holes in prison break/24 for the sake of entertainment but it bugs me when it comes down to lost (i`m not saying there were plot holes tho..you make a good point about Jack-Locke)...I think that`s because Lost has the better writers. There are amazing...constantly coming up with huge stuff and keeping hell of a puzzle. So i guess that because they are probably the best,mistakes are sometimes more obvious. Well that`s me. I don`t know about Cav but I do think he is harsh on the season and this episode.
Posted 02/27/2009 6:38am
exactly. i mean they also have script supervisor(s), and DArlton wrote this episode... so its not like they just forgot about those things... the timeline is a big iffy, i agree with that, but still acceptable. however im sure that down the road we'll hear more about the meeting of Jack and Locke and Walt...

the episode was already longer than usual. They couldn't fit it in.
Posted 02/27/2009 7:29am
Agree about more of Jack-Locke(well probably). I think that when the island action is back...we`ll have some flashbacks...there`s still a lot to explain on why the oceanic 6 went back to the island.
Posted 02/27/2009 8:30am
Bentham - Sorry for the long wait for the response, school has been crazy. And what avi said regarding your Prison Break and 24 comment. In the next episode of 24 the white house is being stormed. Lol? I put that kind of stuff off because its stupid. Prison Break had that one scene in 3x4 with a "fake" sarah. Again, nothing they could do. This is simple, basic stuff that Lost has always gotten right. "He told me....some very bad things happened after I left. And he said it was my fault." COME ON. Get it right, have Locke mention this. You say it might not be the last scene, but for all intents and purposes it looks like this will be the last scene. Locke / Ben was very good, I was more focusing on the crap that they through at us in this epsiode. No show is going to be looked at like Lost, for me. You need to get it right and when you have all ready established things in previous epsiodes with your fragmented storytelling - look back at your scripts and get it right. Period
Posted 02/27/2009 9:26am
The scene with Jack and Locke got me too. He also never told Jack that Ben was off the island, despite Jack claiming he did. Bit of a slip up there! I wasn't huge on the episode myself. Still good, but not what I'd hoped for.
Posted 02/27/2009 10:15am
But cav, they did. Or do you think that Darlton and all the other writers in the writers room along with the script supervisors overlooked something thats even mentioned in the Previously On segment? Instead of showing a scene of Locke telling the same stuff over and over again(hi my name is Jb, call me jB, bad things happened, blah blah) they showed new stuff. Maybe later we'll see more on it. Maybe not; maybe it'll be patched up with on island dialouge.

I think that the fact that the writers chose this really weird storytelling(we knew the main events of Locke's journey, the outcome of it, but we couldnt connect the dots fully) is the ultimate fault of the episode for the nay-sayers. They couldn't make it satisfying because people don't like recapping the same thing over and over again, but at the same time, it's nice to see it actually happening.
Posted 02/27/2009 10:24am
They have always connected dots and they should have most certainly taken the 30 seconds it would have taken Locke to say "After you left Jack. Everything went to hell. Richard told me the only way to make it stop was to make you come back." I'm not sure Jack knowsn Richard, but Jack could have at least asked then about Sawyer / Juliet to show that he at least began to ponder that he left them on the island. Like you said - you always want to watch it play out and everyone watching going into that episode was looking for certain things to be mentioned. Walt's minor "Jermey Bentham" thing, it can slide. Jack / Locke should have been 2-3 minutes longer and far better. Lockes trip to Sayid was pointless see subtract that scene and add more Jack and Locke with the dialouge we all expected and it would have been a little bit more bearable of an episode. The middle part of the episode was just very oddly paced, on top of the bad writings at certain points.
Posted 02/27/2009 10:48am
I§m not saying that what they've done is right, but I certainly do see that they did cut parts out.

I felt that the info about Locke and the island was scattered throughout the meetings: he told Sayid his name, he briefly told people on the island, and told Hurley that they all need to go back. I think this is a result of last minute scripting/editing.
Posted 02/27/2009 10:58am
BOO!!!!
Posted 02/27/2009 11:54am
:LOL:
Posted 02/27/2009 11:54am
O.k i think i will dedicate another blog to this episode and these "errors". Check my blog tomorrow for it. I just rewatched the episode and have new THOUGHTS
Posted 02/27/2009 12:46pm
I will be out of town this weekend but you know I always find my way over to your blogs.
Posted 02/27/2009 1:50pm
alright then. have fun and i guess we'll continue this on monday.
Posted 02/27/2009 3:04pm
This episode definitely wasn't good, but it was WAY better than "316" which, besides the sexy Kate scenes, was horrible. Sure they made a few mistakes, one which you milked quite a bit, but at least the acting didn't make you want to puke into an abyss of desperate man-eating tricycles.
Posted 03/01/2009 1:26pm
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