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Militant? Um, no. Try again.

Read this.

Seriously, what is this? Militant atheists, eh? Where are they?

Here's a primer on atheism:
http://www.atheistrev.com/2008/06/militant-atheism.html

Here are a couple cartoons that illustrate the situation very well:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/06/20/lake/
http://www.offendedyet.com/2008/03/same-thing.html

Here's a video that says it even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5OEocRp2wA

And no, the term "fundamentalist atheists" isn't accurate, either:
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths/p/Fundamentalist.htm

Reread the "primer" again if you have to. Let this all sink in. These atheists that people are calling "militant", "fundamentalist", etc. are not, in general, the perpetrators of bigotry--they are the victims of it. They're being held to a double standard by hypocrites who are so accustomed to their religion being favored by the state that they don't see injustice when it happens. Tell me, what would it take for a Christian or a Muslim, for example, to be called a "militant Christian" or a "militant Muslim"? Whatever your response is, see if those requirements for militancy are being met by atheists who are being called militant. If they aren't being met, then be sure you don't use the term unless it's use is warranted. If these atheists really are militant by your requirements, then be sure you apply the term to believers who also meet the requirements. If you aren't going to be consistent, you're a hypocrite who is instituting a double standard.

Now, about Spore: I have no problem with religion being included as an option for one's creatures to practice. That would certainly make it realistic if we're talking about creatures that are mentally somewhat similar to us humans. Without further information, though, I can't say why those atheists were upset. From what Will Wright said, I suspect that it might have something to do with the player having some level of control over his/her creatures, which is not the way that evolution in the real world works, or appears to work. It is, however, the way that theistic evolutionists believe it works, and this realization opens up room for potential criticism. But also, in trying to simulate biological evolution, do it right. You can certainly be afraid of offending the religious/theists, but please don't misrepresent the way the world works for the sake of appeasing them. I hope you aren't doing this, Will.

But back to the point of this post: Think for a moment of a type of creature that you don't believe exists--for instance, a giant, invisible pair of hands (GIPoH). Let's say that everything these hands can supposedly do is or can be better-explained by the behavior of things that are confirmed to exist (i.e. there is no evidence for the GIPoH). Furthermore, let's say that there are 100 people in our society and that you and five others do not believe that the GIPoH exists (which is NOT the same thing as believing that they don't exist). Let's also suppose that the other 94 people in our society are more prone than the other 6 are to doing bad, harmful, stupid, or illegal things because of their belief in the GIPoH, and that there are many known instances of such actions being committed.

For many centuries, the GIPoH-ians have been given special privileges by the government, and they have been spreading horrible, vile, but entirely false, rumors about the a-GIPoH-ists. When the GIPoH-ians have come in conflict with other, similar (to their own), groups in the past, their interactions have consisted of violence and hatred--i.e., militancy. When the a-GIPoH-ists try to point out injustices being perpetrated in their 100-person society, via means of talking, writing, and going to court, they are given the label "militant". Doing so spreads the bigoted misconception that they are being like the GIPoH-ians were to other groups in the past.

Now, isn't there something fishy about that?

"Militant" my ass. I'm tired of all the bigotry.

Posted by Angry_Beaver, 08/12/2008 3:56pm
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Great blog! I get tired of all of the **** that gets flung towards us atheists. I don't know a single militant atheist, but I know plenty of folks that are pretty damned militant when it comes to badgering me about what I believe, or more specifically, what I don't believe.
Posted 08/12/2008 9:42pm
edit: LOL

Shoulda read the links.

Haha Wright, what an idiot. When you try to please a single demographic like that you're bound to piss off another. It's probably best just to do what the hell you want and see who gets offended. That way though some **** will still be offended, you'll have done what you wanted!

Ridiculous comments on it too, though I can't understand people being offended by the game, those comments are a bit off the mark. :X
Posted 08/12/2008 11:55pm
A "militant" or "fundamentalist" atheist is one who takes it so far that he is offended by the presence of religion in anything--like a harmless videogame. Examples of militant atheists would be the RRS and the Freethought Society, who label theism a mental disorder and attempt to get the authorities to do the same.

I don't know how it is where you live, but I have never heard of religion perpetuating false stereotypes about atheists. I've heard religious people with a very sad view of the world read what was never said into the context of their beliefs. I hear plenty of atheist remarks, however, toward religious people, including, but not limited to, "insane," "brainless" and at times even "murderous." Are these just "responses to bigotry"? Even if they are, does this justify them? Two wrongs do not make a right, last I checked.

Religious institutions are not taxed by the government because of Separation of Church and State; that is the only time when "special treatment" is given to a religious organization by the secular government. I am well aware of the existence of fundamentalist and militant theists, and I don't give them special treatment, like you seem to imply that a theist would do so.
Posted 08/13/2008 4:37am
I haven't kept up with Spore much (I actually had to go check the release date to see if it was actually out yet!), but common sense tells me that if it was a simulator of actual biological evolution, it would be more fun to watch than to play... I dunno about you, but I want input on anything I'm supposed to sit around watching on a screen for hours on end... if I didn't I'd give up gaming and become a movie buff. Is that Wright pandering to theists of whatever stripe, or just making a game a game? I didn't see anything more than that in Wright's comments...
Posted 08/13/2008 6:26am
Theokhoth,

"A 'militant' or 'fundamentalist' atheist is one who takes it so far that he is offended by the presence of religion in anything"

Being offended is not being militant. The definition of "militant" that would apply here is "being aggressively active (such as about a cause)". But one need not be aggressively active about a cause to be offended by something.

Being offended is not being a fundamentalist. Read here: http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheismdangerous/a/Fundamentalist.htm

"I don't know how it is where you live, but I have never heard of religion perpetuating false stereotypes about atheists."

Have you not heard the myth that atheists eat babies? Or maybe that was Jews. In any case, both were demonized. It's commonly said that atheists are immoral or satanic. I think there's also a thing about killing for virgin blood or something.
Posted 08/13/2008 8:20pm
This is a brilliant blog- you don't mince your words. Consider yourself tracked! Us atheists with brains have to stand up for ourselves. If one thing annoys me, it's "atheists" (read: god-fearing theists) who haven't thought about things at all and are just trying to rebel against their parents. If anything, that's almost as bad as religion. I'm glad to see you're not one of those people!

@Theokhoth: "I don't know how it is where you live, but I have never heard of religion perpetuating false stereotypes about atheists."

Fancy a trip to Northern Ireland? I'm so happy everyone is tolerant of each other in Magic Land where you live.

Oh, and religion is irrational.
Posted 08/26/2008 1:26pm
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